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=Persuasion Game Page for Team 1=

This page is for Team 1 to share information with the rest of the class. Team 1 may also use this page to work out arguments collaboratively (just remember, everyone in the class can see your page). If you have an important document you want your classmates to read before a game day, put it here and make an announcement on the Announcements Page. Please remember to sign all your additions to the wiki with the four tildes (~) so that Dr. Lake can easily identify your contributions.

Game 1: Sir Walter Elliott Team 1 is assigned to: (TBA)

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 * Name || Phone || Email ||
 * Tony Botkin || 937-272-2893 || botkin.10@wright.edu ||
 * Stephanie Koverman || 937-239-9914 || koverman.11@wright.edu ||
 * Jessica Tamble || 937-478-2592 || tambe.4@wright.edu ||
 * Will Porter || 937-360-3708 || porter.will@yahoo.com ||
 * Dawn Renee Davidson || 277-9540 || drjla71678@yahoo.com ||
 * Devyn burgert || none || none ||
 * Annie Hanlon || 937-271-5044 || hanlon.7@wright.edu ||
 * Cameron Foster || 937-926-0770 || cougarz68@aol.com ||
 * Andrea Day || 937-710-2363 || annienicole2011@gmail.com ||
 * Kristie Young || 937-925-5671 || young.305@wright.edu ||
 * Julie Barnhart || 937-694-9731 || barnhart.25@wright.edu ||

__//**SIR WALTER ELLIOT**//__ (Sparknotes Analysis) - Vain, pretentious, and stubborn; poor judge of character, easily fooled, and is taken advantage by most; thwarts Anne and Wentworth early on; maintains qualities that horrify the novel’s, and others like it, protagonist. Selfish, self-absorbed, and can’t think past his own desires and putting them first; not all evil, but comically ridiculous, acting as a satirized version of the titled class of the era. Sir Walter is very impractical, as his vanity and struggle to hold on to his wealth, status and beauty suggest; vanity is the most defining character; extremely conceited (i.e. favorite book being his family history book [Baronetage], a room full of mirrors, only wanting good-looking people to rent his home, etc.). His extreme self shows the fact that the girly-man he is no longer qualifies as the epitome of manliness, which Austen reveals as the gallant and brave, like Captain Wentworth. Through Sir Walter, Austen makes fun of the then-declining aristocracy; they were forced to accept the newly rich into their social class, due to great success in the British industrial age; these people had enough money to seriously challenge the importance of birth for what it was really worth. Austen uses this character to show the ugly underbelly of the aristocracy in a humorous manner.

SparkNotes Editors. “SparkNote on Persuasion.” SparkNotes.com. SparkNotes LLC. n.d.. Web. 17 Sep. 2011. 1316296456

This website may also be useful for further information: http://janeaustensworld.wordpress.com/jane-austens-novels-juvenilia-novel-fragments-and-letters/ 1316299707

So if we can have things wrapped up by Sunday night around 11 or so I'm copying and pasting everything into a word document and i can email that to everyone if they want a copy. I figure that this will give us all the information so we're all on the same page. This will contain all of the information from facebook and our wiki page. 1316307080

I just found this site too. It's just quotes from the book but maybe we'll find something useful or a quote we overlooked that will help us 1316307303



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__ In your Apparel be Modest and endeavour to accommodate Nature, rather than to procure Admiration __ keep to the Fashion of your equals Such as are Civil and orderly with respect to Times and Places.

here is the quote from the book: //Pg12 Chapter 3// **If a rich Admiral were to come in out way Sir Walter, He would be a lucky man Shephard, replied SWE that’s all I have to remark. 1316368749**

[|http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/persuasion/canalysis.html#Sir-Walter-Elliot] 1316383446
 * I went to sparknotes and typed in Sir Walter Elliot. This is the link of the site I ended up on and it gives another analysis of his personality. I think there is some good information on this site.**

here's another quote that may be helpful for tomorrows presentation.... i found it via internet at http://www.shmoop.com/persuasion/appearances-quotes.html

[Sir Walter speaks] "It cuts up a man's youth and vigour most horribly; a sailor grows old sooner than any other man. I have observed it all my life. A man is in greater danger in the navy of [...] becoming prematurely an object of disgust himself, than in any other line. [...] I shall not easily forget Admiral Baldwin. I never saw quite so wretched an example of what a sea-faring life can do; but to a degree, I know it is the same with them all: they are all knocked about, and exposed to every climate, and every weather, till they are not fit to be seen. It is a pity they are not knocked on the head at once, before they reach Admiral Baldwin's age." (3.16) 1316384772

If there is anyone who is not apart of the Team FB Group please Friend Request me on my FB Account: (D. Anthony Botkin) so that I can get you added. Also if your info is wrong on the Contact Info please go ahead and correct it.1316445421

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[] I dont know if you already have these website, hope they help out.1316452472

= Captain Benwick = in relation to him remarrying so quick was stated in a quote found on shmoop.com "He had an affectionate heart. He must love somebody."- Anne It is no wonder that captain benwick wanted to remarry, he had an affectionate side and was willing to give it out to somebody. He was devastated over the death of his fiance, therefore he had secluded himself from society and could use something to fill the void in his life, and Lousia was the perfect fill. 1316474063

Hey guys I just pulled up all the times Benwick is mentioned in the book and typed up some quotes and such that I think could help us. I sent it in an email. Feel free to make changes or notes on it and return it to me. Just make sure I know what changes you made. If you didn't get the email then please change your email on here because I've been pulling the email addresses straight from this page 1316477901

Captain Benwick is a grief sticken depressed naval officer who mourns the death of his lost fiance. And meet someone new he does; he's engaged to Louisa before his previous fiancée has been dead a year. http://www.shmoop.com/persuasion/captain-james-benwick.html I think of Benwick who is in a dark place with all the death and how he throws him-self into it; really he is a sad character.1316483473

First through the beginning of a loss of his fiancé and he has to learn to try to learn to love again. He has feelings for Anne at first and seems to be rejected yet tastefully from Anne to move on too Henrietta. It would seem that Austen is trying to show Benwicks character a man at a sad point in his life where he ties to fill his void by reading and relating to the stories. He builds a friendship with Anne who knows about loss and how to a poker face through her hardships. According to: [|http://www.shmoop.com] & [|http://www.sparknotes.com] I should have thought we were lively enough at the Cottage for such a __heart-broken man as Captain Benwick.” He fancied that if he went with us, he should find you close by: he fancied everybody to be living in Uppercross; and when he discovered that Lady Russell lived three miles off, his heart failed him, and he had not courage to come. That is the fact, upon my honour, Mary knows it is.”__ His head is full of some books that __he is reading upon your recommendation, and he wants to talk to you about them; he has found out something or other in one of them which he thinks__ — oh! I cannot pretend to remember it, but it was something very fine — __I overheard him telling Henrietta all about it; and then ‘Miss Elliot’ was spoken of in the highest terms__! Now Mary, I declare it was so, I heard it myself, and you were in the other room. __‘Elegance, sweetness, beauty.’ Oh! there was no end of Miss Elliot’s charms.”__
 * Captain Benwick** - Once engaged to the Captain Harville's now-deceased sister, Fanny, He is a shy man and an ardent reader of poetry. When Anne meets him, he is on leave from his ship and he is living with Captain and Mrs. Harville. He seeks a young woman to help him get over Fanny, and his attentions turn, surprisingly, to Louisa Musgrove. **Charles Conversation:**__ he made a very awkward sort of excuse; ‘he never shot’ and he had ‘been quite misunderstood,’ and he had promised this and he had promised that, and the end of it was __, I found, that he did not mean to come. __I suppose he was afraid of finding it dull__;
 * He was either less disposed for it than Charles had imagined, or he was too shy ** ; and after giving him a week’s indulgence,

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 * Captain Benwick** - Once engaged to the Captain Harville's now-deceased sister, Fanny, Captain Benwick is a depressed naval officer who mourns the death of his lost love. He is a shy man and an ardent reader of poetry. When Anne meets him, he is on leave from his ship and he is living with Captain and Mrs. Harville. He seeks a young woman to help him get over Fanny, and his attentions turn, surprisingly, to Louisa Musgrove. 1316562503

Captain Benwick, like Anne, **__has been struck with a bad case of lost love__** (symptoms: listlessness, fatigue, reading lots of sad poems).

Great job guys! Keep up the work and lets keep improving! ````


 * William Walter Elliot**

This is a good website to use: check the facebook page for the other info.1316632894 According to: [|http://www.jimandellen.org]
 * William Walter Elliot || Grandson and presumed heir of Sir Walter Elliot (the Second). Widowed ||

Hey guys, I'm working on writing up a script. When I'm finished with it I'll send you all a copy. Feel free to make changes as always. Also, I posted more info on facebook. 1316723403

love the script! let's bring our best tomorrow! 1316740732

According to: [|1316744364|http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/persuasion/characters.html#3[[user:FosterCameron|1316744364]]]
 * Mr. William Elliot** - Anne Elliot's cousin, and heir to Kellynch Hall, Mr. William Elliot is a smooth talker who everyone agrees is "perfectly what he ought to be." Only six months after the death of his first wife, and at the end of a marriage that was generally known to be unhappy, Mr. Elliot is searching for a new bride. Good- looking and well-mannered, Mr. Elliot talks his way back into the good graces of Sir Walter, yet Anne questions his true motives. 1316743059


 * Despite his cousin Elizabeth’s having decided to marry him before she ever met him, Mr. Elliot instead weds "a rich woman of inferior birth" (1.16).
 * Mr. Elliot’s choice of bride offends Sir Walter, who breaks off the acquaintance.
 * Several years later, Mr. Elliot’s wife has died, but his badmouthing of his cousins means they still have a grudge against him.
 * At Lyme, Mr. Elliot visibly admires Anne’s beauty, not knowing she is his cousin


 * Mr. Elliot runs into Anne again at the inn they are both staying at.
 * In Bath, Mr. Elliot gets himself back into his cousins’ good graces.
 * When Anne comes to stay with her family in Bath, Mr. Elliot is happy to discover that they are related.
 * Mr. Elliot and Anne discuss the events that happened in Lyme.
 * Devoting his considerable powers of charm to pleasing Anne, Mr. Elliot succeeds in becoming her friend, though she does not entirely trust him.
 * Mr. Elliot tries to convince Anne that the Dalrymples are worth all the hoops her father is jumping through for them
 * Mr. Elliot tries to convince Anne that the Dalrymples are worth all the hoops her father is jumping through for them.
 * One morning Mr. Elliot is accompanying Anne, Elizabeth, and Mrs. Clay on a shopping trip, when the rain sends them to seek shelter in a shop.
 * Mr. Elliot decides that Anne’s boots are thicker than Mrs. Clay’s, and that therefore Mrs. Clay should take the last spot in Lady Dalrymple’s carriage while he walks Anne home.
 * Attending a concert with the Elliots and the Dalrymples, Mr. Elliot pays his attentions to Anne.
 * His flattery falls flat, as Anne is more interested in fellow concert-goer Captain Wentworth than she is in Mr. Elliot.
 * Mr. Elliot continues to ply his charms on Anne, but, having heard the story of his true character from Mrs. Smith, he only convinces her of his hypocrisy.
 * Mr. Elliot says that he is leaving Bath for a few days.
 * Meeting with Mrs. Clay, Mr. Elliot is spotted from a window by Mary and Anne.
 * Mr. Elliot is surprised to learn that Anne is to marry Captain Wentworth, and leaves Bath.
 * Last seen in London with Mrs. Clay, Mr. Elliot may eventually marry her

According to: [] Alot of info here! **Mrs. Smith** - The girlhood friend of Anne Elliot who is currently living in Bath, Mrs. Smith has fallen on hard times. After her husband went into debt and left her a widow, Mrs. Smith was left with nothing. Now crippled by an illness, Mrs. Smith rekindles her former friendship with Anne and provides her with information that helps Anne learn more of Mr. Elliot. Mrs. Smith functions in the story to highlight Anne's high value on friendship and disregard for maintaining appearances at all cost. 1316743742According to: [|1316744364|http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/persuasion/characters.html#3[[user:FosterCameron|1316744364]]]
 * Mrs. Smith**

Hey everyone, if there is anyone who is having trouble and needs more help understanding (where to begin or organize;thoughts, ideas, ect..) or may have questions please dont be afraid to ask. We are a group and this is graded for our group. If we are having any problems please share your concerns. So with that out of the way: I add Dr. Lake to our page and she said we may cut n copy stuff from facebook it would be fine; for our participation points.

__**CFW=Captain FredrickWentworth.**__ According to sparknotes character analysis, this is what it read:

Captain Wentworth is the prototype of the 'new gentleman.' Maintaining the good manners, consideration, and sensitivity of the older type, Wentworth adds the qualities of gallantry, independence, and bravery that come with being a well- respected Naval officer. He has made his own fortune through hard work and good sense, in direct contrast to Sir Walter who has only wasted the money that came to him through his title. Without land or high birth, Captain Wentworth is not the traditional match for a woman of Anne Eliot's position. But in true Austenian fashion, his fine personal qualities are enough to surmount the now divide which separates his position from that of Anne. In the novel, Captain Wentworth develops, eventually overcoming his pride and shame at being once refused, in order to make another ardent overture to his chosen bride. This development is a sign of a promising future for their relationship. Like Admiral Croft, who allows his wife to drive the carriage alongside him and to help him steer, Captain Wentworth will defer to Anne throughout their marriage. Austen envisions this kind of equal partnership as the ideal marriage. 1316981220

According to http://classiclit.about.com/od/persuasionjaneausten/a/aa_persuasionqu.htm 'Persuasion' Quotes Jane Austen's Famous Novel By Esther Lombardi, About.com Guide

•"You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever. I offer myself to you again with a heart even more your own than when you almost broke it, eight and a half years ago. Dare not say that a man forgets sooner than woman, that his love has an earlier death. I have loved none but you. Unjust I may have been, weak and resentful I have been, but never inconstant." - Jane Austen, Persuasion, Ch. 23 1316801700

According to: So when, in the novel’s backstory, Anne breaks off their engagement, Wentworth passes judgment on her character:
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When the paths of Wentworth and Anne do cross again he goes for a woman who’s the yin to Anne’s yang: Louisa Musgrove. Wentworth notices a stranger admiring Anne, which causes him to realize that she still has beauty.

Wentworth gets Sir Walter’s unenthusiastic permission to marry Anne, and then does so.

Anne and Wentworth are less in direct conflict with each other – they can barely speak to each other – than they are with themselves. They want to pretend they don’t care about each other, but those pesky underlying emotions keep coming out. 1316817399

__**DR.LAKE: here is our info of the charaecter's from Facebook**__. SWE=Sir Walter Elliot

[|D Anthony Botkin] [|September 17 at 5:56pm]

SIR WALTER ELLIOT (Sparknotes Analysis) -

Vain, pretentious, and stubborn; poor judge of character, easily fooled, and is taken advantage by most; thwarts Anne and Wentworth early on; maintains qualities that horrify the novel’s, and others like it, protagonist. Selfish, self-absorbed, and can’t think past his own desires and putting them first; not all evil, but comically ridiculous, acting as a satirized version of the titled class of the era. Sir Walter is very impractical, as his vanity and struggle to hold on to his wealth, status and beauty suggest; vanity is the most defining character; extremely conceited (i.e. favorite book being his family history book [Baronetage], a room full of mirrors, only wanting good-looking people to rent his home, etc.). His extreme self shows the fact that the girly-man he is no longer qualifies as the epitome of manliness, which Austen reveals as the gallant and brave, like Captain Wentworth. Through Sir Walter, Austen makes fun of the then-declining aristocracy; they were forced to accept the newly rich into their social class, due to great success in the British industrial age; these people had enough money to seriously challenge the importance of birth for what it was really worth. Austen uses this character to show the ugly underbelly of the aristocracy in a humorous manner.

SparkNotes Editors. “SparkNote on Persuasion.” SparkNotes.com. SparkNotes LLC. n.d.. Web. 17 Sep. 2011.

[|D Anthony Botkin] [|September 17 at 7:01pm]

Sir Walter is comical and this might be is saving grace. But most point at his personal vanity and the over spending of the family wealth to keep up appearances.

[|Jessica Tambe] [|September 17 at 6:39pm]

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The present baronet of Kellynch Hall in Somerset: "Vanity was the beginning and the end of Sir Walter Elliot's character; vanity of person and of situation. He had been remarkably handsome in his youth; and, at fifty-four, was still a very fine man. Few women could think more of their personal appearance than he did," ======

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At the time the story opens, Sir Walter has been a widower for fourteen years. He has three daughters and no son which unfortunately means that his title and estate will pass to his nephew on his death. With the death of his wife came the death of his fortune and he is forced to retrench and let his house to a naval man! ======

[|D Anthony Botkin] [|September 17 at 8:48pm]

Conscious of keeping up grand appearances, Sir Walter spends lavishly, and brings his family into debt. A poor judge of character, he is easily fooled by those who would take advantage of him. Spark Notes, Character Summaries, Sept. 17, 2011 I would like to highlite that he is easily taken advantage of and he did waste the wealth of the family on his appearance.

[|Andrea Nicole Day] [|September 17 at 9:00pm] ‎'Yes; it is in two points offensive to me; I have two strong grounds of objection to it. First, as being the means of bringing persons of obscure birth into undue distinction, and raising men to honours which their fathers and grandfathers never dreamt of; and secondly, as it cuts up a man's youth and vigour most horribly; a sailor grows old sooner than any other man. I have observed it all my life. A man is in greater danger in the navy of being insulted by the rise of one whose father, his father might have disdained to speak to, and of becoming prematurely an object of disgust himself, than in any other line.

I found this on the site posted on the wiki. It is yet another example that I believe we mentioned in class but shows how much stress he really puts on titles and such. It shows that he believes himself to be better than everyone else. However I feel as if he contradicts himself in the end because although he doesn't favor Anne, he does quite happily agree with her marriage to Wentworth due to his success. He doesn't like that they earn more respect and honor but accepts Wentworth once he does......

[|Dawn Davidson] [|September 18 at 12:59pm] :Info on 18thCentury Gentleman Manners According to:

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Being to advise or reprehend any one, consider whether it ought to be in publick or in Private; presently, or at Some other time in what terms to do it & in reproving Shew no Sign of Choler but do it with all Sweetness and Mildness ======

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Pg 13 Paragrapg 4 midway “As to all that rejoined SWE coolly, supposing I induced to let my house, I have by no means made up my mind as to the privileges to be annexed to it.” Also including prior paragraph These valuable pictures of yours, SWE, if you choose to leave them, would be perfectly safe. Everything in and about will be taken such care of! ======

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Pg 15 Paragraph 3 Sheparhd knows that SWE and his concerns are not kept secret and for his inquiry for the Crofts: “And who is Admiral Croft? was SWE cold suspicious inquiry. Continued pg 16 SWE “Then I take it for granted, observed SWE, that his face is orange as the cuffs and capes of my livery” ======

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Pg 17 Last Paragraph SWE was not very wise, but still he had experience enough of the world to feel, that a more unobjectionable tenant, in all essentials, than Admiral Croft bid fair to be, could hardly offer. SWE vanity supplied a little additional soothing in the Admirals situation life, Continues pg 18 “In all their dealings and intercourse, SWE must ever have the precedence.” ======

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Chapter 4 pg 18 SWE: “on being applied to, without actually without holding his consent, or saying or it should be, gave it all the negative of great astonishment, great coldness, great silence, and professed resolution of doing nothing for his daughter.” ======

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Chapter 24 pg 165 paragraph 2 reiterates his no feelings for Anne: Sir Walter indeed, though he had no affection for Anne, and no vanity flattered, to make him happy on the occasion was very far from thinking it a bad match for her. He continues to he is struck by his personal claims, and felt that his superiority of appearance might be not unfairly balanced against her superiority of rank, he then signs the paper for the marriage. ======

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Chapter 5 pg 22; paragraph 4: Sir Walter, without hesitation, declared the Admiral to be the best looking sailor he gad ever met with, and went so far as to say that if his own man might have had the arranging of his hair, he should not be ashamed of being seen with him any where;” ======

Hey any questions let me know if I can do more. My house number is 277 9540 we can meet in the morning too if you are able.
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In Captain Wentworth’s world, what you do is who you are. I think this descrbes his charater bc he judges people by what they have done. He judged anne when she broke off the engagement and he was mad about it. he held that against her for the longest time. " he thinks, she(Anne) must be a wimp to be so easily persuaded"-Shmoop.1317001357

According to: [] When Wentworth finally turns up again to give her the chance to do things better in a sequel, Anne has pretty much given up on their ever getting back together. Also according to: []) After she met and fell in love with Wentworth, at age nineteen, Anne had been persuaded by her mother's great friend —and her own trusted confidante, the widow Lady Russell— to break the engagement. Lady Russell had questioned the wisdom of Anne marrying a penniless young naval officer without family or connections and whose prospects were so uncertain. Wentworth is left bitter at Lady Russell's interference and Anne's own want of fortitude. 1317081252

I'm going to start working on a script. If you guys have anything you want added or emphasized let me know. I'll have it in your emails later tonight for you. 1317150842

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ANNE:

some important quotes that were included on our facebook page: "She had been solicited, when about two-and-twenty, to change her name, by a young man, who not long afterwards found a more willing mind in her younger sister; and Lady Russell had lamented her refusal." pg 20

"he had been most wormly attached to her, and had never seen a wwoman since whom he though her equal; but, except from some natural sensation of curiosity, he had no desire of meeting her again." pg 41

"They were gradually acquainted, and when acquainted, rapidly and deeply in love. It would be difficult to say which had seen highest perfection in the other, or which had been the happiest; she, in receiving his declaration and proposals, or he in having them accepted." pg 18

"they had no intercourse together, no intercourse but what the commonest civility required." pg 42

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Anne Elliot
Anne Elliot, the protagonist of //Persuasion,// is, like most Austen heroines, witty, clever, and considerate. Austen referred to her in one of her letters as "a heroine who is almost too good for me." Though Austen very frankly notes that the bloom of youth has left Anne, and that she is not the prettiest of the young ladies in the novel, Anne becomes most decidedly more attractive when her better qualities are noted. Anne is proud of her appearance, and she is deeply hurt after overhearing that Captain Wentworth thinks her appearance much changed for the worst. Unlike her father, Anne also takes pride in practicality, intellect, and patience.

Anne is feminine while possessing none of what Austen clearly sees as the negative characteristics of her gender; Anne is neither catty, flighty, nor hysterical. On the contrary, she is level-headed in difficult situations and constant in her affections. Such qualities make her the desirable sister to marry; she is the first choice of Charles Musgrove, Captain Wentworth, and Mr. Elliot. That Anne has her own mind is clear from the way she rebels against the vanity of her father and elder sister. But Anne is not one to avoid her responsibility and duty as a member of the upper class. She understands and respects the importance of making a "suitable" match, and is offended by the prospect of someone as low as Mrs. Clay entering into her family through marriage. She is conscious of the social structure in which her relations operate, and though she may seek a bit more flexibility, she by no means wishes to seriously challenge notions of class. In the end, Anne concludes that she is right to have been persuaded by Lady Russell, even if the advice itself was misguided. The conclusion implies that what might be considered Anne's flaw, her ability to be persuaded by others, is not really a flaw at all. It is left to the reader to agree or disagree with this. But overall, she must be highly regarded; for in her respect for duty and with an independent mind, Anne balances passion and practicality. According to: [] 1317216081

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I also think anne had a selfish side that is kind of masked in the book. she takes care of the injured kid, only bc she doesnt want to see wentworth, she plays the piano at a social gathering- not to provide the entertainment- but to avoid dancing with people. just a thought. ====== Like ·· Follow Post · [|September 27 at 10:01pm]
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[|Andrea Nicole Day] haha it sounds interesting. can't wait to see it. i think your drawing put us over the top last time September 27 at 10:18pm ·  Like ·  [|1 person]
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What is the general direction of prosecuting Anne? Easily persuaded? Bending to the will of tradition and family despite her feelings? Not speaking her mind on how she wanted to conduct her life? Just sitting there and taking the jabs at her character after all that she had done for everyone else? For making a really bad reality show contestant? :) Or for simply not having the balls to stand up for herself. No matter how we approach this it is going to be an up hill battle. I'll get there as soon as I can in the morning. ======  <span class="default_message">Like  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">··  <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·  [|September 27 at 9:17pm]    [|Andrea Nicole Day] really i think it's all of those points September 27 at 10:11pm · <span class="comment_like_176100202469776 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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In conclusion:
> ====== I think Jane Austen wanted us to like Anne Elliot; her character is very important one. She is a woman torn between her own happiness and what are her womanly duties. In a time where society itself was changing from marriage being a business transaction and leaning into romanticism. It seems that Austen was showing how a woman in those times must be used as a commodity and was only of use if there was something to gain for another. Bringing in a dowry, title, or wealth; it is portrayed that the character Anne has swayed her decision to marry CFW from her trusted god mother Lady Russell and no family blessing from her family helped persuade her calling off her engagement to CFW. With Anne being educated, pretty, modest woman and clearly in love why would she allow someone to change her mind (Can Anne not think for herself?) ====== > ====== Confrontations can always be a scary thing for some people. I think even the character Anne Elliot is afraid to deal with confrontations, especially with CFW. In the scenes with her sister Mary when no one wants to stay with her, Anne goes willingly, the Musgrove child Charles: when he falls she wishes to stay and help, as well of Louisa with her spell, including when she has to spend moments with CFW she tries to remove herself from the situation. ====== > ====== I am thinking that maybe if prosecutor would say “did you leave when the boy fell? Or when Loiusa fell? ” ect… this is what I have started. ====== > > ====== According to: @http://www.shmoop.com/persuasion/anne-elliot.html   ====== > ====== Anne has no choice but to go along with the plan, despite Bath being her least favorite place in the world. Could we remind that with her stature she should have enjoyed Bath since there is art, music, ect... (Even though we know she was bored of it) ====== > > ====== Also I saw this: I think the defense might use this:  ====== > ====== Things change a little, however, when Anne finally gets to Bath, after a lengthy detour to stay with Mary and her family. In Bath, Anne starts to carve a space for herself that pushes the boundaries of what her family wants. ====== > ====== A good example of this is that, while Sir Walter, Elizabeth, and even Lady Russell are all over Mr. Elliot, Anne doesn’t quite trust him. ====== > > ====== He certainly knew what was right, nor could she fix on any one article of moral duty evidently transgressed; but yet she would have been afraid to answer for his conduct. Chapter 17 pg 106-107 might be the defense’s ideas. Once Anne settles in at Uppercross, she continues to get used, as everyone takes advantage of Anne’s listening ear to share their troubles, and she does her best to offer sympathy. Anne’s focus on making herself useful at the expense of having any time to herself appears to those around her as a virtue (to the extent they even notice). It also means that she doesn’t have much freedom to grow and develop as an individual. ====== > > ====== Perhaps it’s her experiences in Lyme, or perhaps it’s a confidence boost from feeling that Wentworth still respects her, but something gives Anne a spark of spunk in Bath that she didn’t have before. ====== > > ====== When Anne finally manages to overcome all the obstacles in her path and get together with Wentworth, it seems that her days of self-sacrifice are finally behind her, and she’s able to be happy for her own self instead of seeing happiness as a spectator sport. Perhaps Anne’s blissful ending suggests a little selfishness can be a good thing after all. ====== > > ====== While she manages not to get bitter at Lady Russell for cheating her out of what turned out to be her big shot at romance, she also spends the next eight years replaying those scenes in her head and wishing they had turned out differently. ====== > > ====== When it becomes clear to Anne that Wentworth is taking the approach of pointedly ignoring her in a way that makes it obvious he’s neither forgotten nor forgiven, she tries to deal with the situation by bottling up her own emotions and pretending they don’t exist. When Mary’s son Charles injures himself, Anne jumps at the chance to nurse him – and to get out of what would have been her first reunion with Wentworth. ====== > > ====== She knew herself to be of the first utility to the child; and what was it to her if Frederick Wentworth were only half a mile distant, making himself agreeable to others? (7.20) ====== > > ======  Finally, thanks to Louisa’s head trauma and subsequent engagement to Captain Benwick, Anne is finally able to acknowledge to herself that she still loves Wentworth. What’s more, she realizes that, wonder of wonders, he loves her too. ====== > > ====== So why doesn’t Anne just go to him and say, "I’ve got a thing for you, you’ve got a thing for me, let’s make this thing happen"? Perhaps after eight years, a few more weeks to make sure she gets it right this time don’t seem so bad. Alternatively, maybe she wants him to make the move so she can be certain he really wants her back. ====== > ====== Anne would make a really bad reality show contestant, as she’s not one to take center stage and show off; Anne observes, listens, and responds. ====== > ====== When her sister Mary demands a visit, she’s downright glad to go play nursemaid to a whiny hypochondriac. To be claimed as a good, though in an improper style, is at least better than being rejected as no good at all; and Anne, glad to be thought of some use, glad to have anything marked out as a duty, […] readily agreed to stay. (5.9) ======   ** Anne Elliot in Persuasion **  www.shmoop.com  Shmoop guide to Anne Elliot in Persuasion. Anne Elliot analysis by Ph.D. and Masters students from Stanford, Harvard, and Berkeley <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 27 at 7:15pm]

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I have some done for Anne. Do you guys want a short script for Jane Austen or just leave it with Anne? Also is there going to be another powerpoint?
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Alright, unless anybody has objections, I was going to start working on a script. That cool with everyone?
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> ====== • Pg. 18 “They were gradually acquainted, and when acquainted, rapidly and deeply in love. It would be difficult to say which had seen highest perfection in the other, or which had been the happiest; she, in receiving his declaration and proposals, or he in having them accepted” ====== > ====== o Sir Walter- “he thought it a very degrading alliance; and Lady Russell, though with more tempered and pardonable pride, received it as a most unfortunate one ”  ====== > ====== • Pg.19 “Young and gentle as she was, it might yet have been possible to withstand her father’s ill-will, though unsoftened by one kind word or look on the part of her sister;-but Lady Russell, whom she had always loved and relied on, could not, with such steadiness of opinion, and such tenderness of manner, be continually advising her in vain. She was persuaded to believe the engagement was a wrong thing-indiscreet, improper, hardly capable of success, and not deserving it.” ====== > ====== • Pg. 20 “She had been solicited, when about two-and-twenty, to change her name, by a young man, who not long afterwards found a more willing mind in her younger sister; and Lady Russell had lamented her refusal ” ====== > ====== • Pg. 41 “he had been most wormly attached to her, and had never seen a woman since whom he thought her equal; but, except from some natural sensation of curiosity, he had no desire of meeting her again. Her power with him was gone for ever” ====== > ====== • Pg. 42 “they had no intercourse together, no intercourse but what the commonest civility required” ====== > ====== • Pg. 81 “Anne was improved in plumpness and looks, or Lady Russell fancied her so; and Anne, in receiving her compliments on the occasion, has the amusement of connecting then with the silent admiration of her cousin, and hoping that she was blessed with a second spring of youth and beauty” ====== > ====== • Pg. 83 “In such moments Anne had no power of saying to herself “These rooms ought to belong only to us. Oh, how fallen in their destination! How unworthily occupied! An ancient family to be so driven away! Strangers filling their place!” No, except when she thought of her mother, and remembered where she had been used to sit and preside, she had no sigh of that description to heave.” ====== > ====== • Pg. 99 “Anne was ashamed. Had Lady Dalrymple and her daughter even been very agreeable, she would still have been ashamed of the agitation they created, but they were nothing.” ====== > ====== • Pg. 111 “Anne heart beat in spite of herself, and brought the colour into her cheeks when she thought of Captain Wentworth unshackled and free. She had some feeling which she ashamed to investigate. They were too much like joy, senseless joy!” ====== > ====== • Pg. 127 “Captain Wentworth jealous of her affection” ====== > ====== • Pg. 203-204 “the second daughter, Anne, who is the heroine, and the only one of the family possessed with good sense” ====== > > ====== Anne Elliot is very easily persuaded by Lade Russell. She gives up on true love because there is no title or money coming with Wentworth and her family does not approve. She feels the need of being accepted by her father, as well as Lady Russell and fears her marriage would change her relation with Lady Russell and risk her father’s affection forever. She is the heroine of the book and extremely skeptical of others. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 27 at 2:44pm] near [|Englewood]

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Here are some of the quotes that i found for Anne:
> > ====== "but Anne, with an elegance of mind and sweetness of character, which must have placed her high with any people of real understanding, was nobody with either father or sister; her word had no weight, her convenience was always to give way - she was only Anne." pg 5 ====== > > ====== On her engagement to Wentworth- "Young and gentle as she was, it might yet have been possible to withstand her fathers ill-will, though unsoftened by one kind word or look on the part of her sister;- but lady russell, whom she had always loved and relied on, could not, with such steadiness of opinion, and such tenderness of manner, be continually advising her in vain. She was persuaded to believe the engagement a wrong thing." pg 19. We could use this against her as her being too willing to rely on other people and just be a "people pleaser" and not thinking for herself. ====== > > ====== "She did not blame lady russell, she did not blame herself for having been guided by her." pg 20 ====== > > ====== On staying behind with mary instead of moving to bath right away- "To be claimed as a good, though in an improper style, is at least better than being rejected as no good at all; and anne, glad to be thought of some use, glad to have anything marked out as a duty, and certainly not sorry to have the scene of it in the country, and her own dear country, readily agreed to stay." pg 23 ====== > > ====== "One of the least agreeable circumstances of her residence there, was her being treated with too much confidence by all parties, and being too much in the secret of the complaints of each house." pg 30 ====== > > ====== On anne staying behind to take care of little charles- "She knew herself to be the first utility to the child; and what was it to her, if Fredrick Wentworth were only half a mile distant, making himself agreeable to others!" pg 39 ====== > > ====== On finally seeing Wentworht- "It is over! It is over! she repeated to herself again, and again, in nervous gratitude. "The worst is over!" pg 40  ======  <span class="default_message">Like  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">··  <span class="default_message">Follow Post  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·  [|September 27 at 11:57am]

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> ====== While she manages not to get bitter at Lady Russell for cheating her out of what turned out to be her big shot at romance, she also spends the next eight years replaying those scenes in her head and wishing they had turned out differently. ======  ** Anne Elliot in Persuasion **  www.shmoop.com  Shmoop guide to Anne Elliot in Persuasion. Anne Elliot analysis by Ph.D. and Masters students from Stanford, Harvard, and Berkeley <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 26 at 7:18pm]

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Does any one have an ideas on how to charge Anne? Or maybe on being unavailable to deal with any confrontation?
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From looking at the quotes posted about the only thing we can nail CFW with is jealousy and pride. Does anyone have anything from some of the essays behind the story that might buttress some of the bad guy facts? Something that might make the jury pay more attention to on of our facts over what the defense will have? ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 25 at 9:41pm]

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> ====== Quotes for Captain Wentworth! ====== > ====== • Pg. 41 “Captain Wentworth is not very gallant by you, Anne, though he was so attentive to me. Henrietta asked him what he thought of you, when they went away; and said ‘you were so altered he should not have known you again’” ====== > ====== o “he had not forgiven Anne Elliot.”  ====== > ====== • Pg.53 “Charles Hayter, probably not at all better pleased by the sight of Captain Wentworth, than Captain Wentworth had been by the sight of Anne ”  ====== > ====== • Pg. 88 “seemed to have a plan of going away for a week or ten days, till her head were stronger. He had talked of going down to Plymouth for a week ” ====== > ====== • Pg. 89 “Captain Wentworth was gone, for the present, to see his brother in Shropshire” ====== > ====== • Pg. 109 “Charles wonders what Captain Wentworth will say; but if you remember, I never thought him attached to Louisa; I never could see anything of it” ====== > ====== • Pg. 125 “as her eyes felon him, his seemed to be withdrawn from her.” ====== > ====== • Pg. 127 “No! there is nothing worth my staying for” ====== > ====== o “jealousy of Mr. Elliot.” “Captain Wentworth jealous of her affection”  ====== > ====== • “In his preceding attempts to attach himself to Louisa Musgrove (the attempts of angry pride)…that he had not cared, could not care for Louisa”  ====== > > ====== C.W. is a very jealous individual, before even knowing the truth he suspects that Anne and Mr. Elliot are involved becoming extremely angry. He can’t get past the fact that Anne was persuaded into calling off their engagement therefore, he makes Anne suffer because he is too proud to talk to her. He attempts to be with Louisa to get back at Anne but soon realizes that he does not want to be with her and leaves her while she is recovering from a head injury. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 25 at 7:16pm] near [|Englewood]
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[|Jessica Tambe] thanks! September 25 at 7:46pm · <span class="comment_like_175185872561209 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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Here is a nut. To exemplify, a beautiful glossy nut, which, blessed with original strength, has outlived all the storms of autumn. Not a puncture, not a weak spot anywhere. This nut … while so many of its brethren have fallen and been trodden under foot, is still in possession of all the happiness that a hazel-nut can be supposed capable of. ====== > ====== According to @http://pd.sparknotes.com/lit/persuasion/section5.html the quote means:  ====== > ====== These lines, from Chapter Ten, are spoken by Captain Wentworth to Louisa Musgrove, and Anne Elliot overhears them. Captain Wentworth is touching on a topic that is very close to his heart: the value of constancy and strength of character. This beautiful nut has weathered the storms and stayed on the tree, unlike the others. Wentworth uses this nut as an illustration of the importance of deciveness and firmness in one's mind. The reader can clearly connect this to Wentworth's past disappointment in love; he believes that Anne Elliot broke her engagement with him because she was not strong enough to withstand the disapproval of a few people. Though she promised him her love, she reneged on her word. ====== > ====== Austen's characteristic irony is an important part of this passage. Captain Wentworth considers "all the happiness that a hazel-nut can be supposed capable of." By its very ridiculousness, this final line throws Wentworth's illustration into question. At this point in the novel, it is still unclear whether firmness of character does increase happiness. ====== > ======  @http://www.ballindalloch-press.com/society/civility.html   ====== > ====== Shew not yourself glad at the Misfortune of another though he were your enemy. ====== > ====== Perhaps when the mention of Dick Musgrove the smirk from CFW we can use Anne’s perspective from that? Chapter 8 pg 45: There was a momentary expression in Captain Wentworth's face at this speech, a certain glance of his bright eye, and curl of his handsome mouth, which convinced Anne, that instead of sharing in Mrs. Musgrove's kind wishes, as to her son, he had probably been at some pains to get rid of him; but it was too transient an indulgence of self-amusement to be detected by any who understood him less than herself; in another moment he was perfectly collected and serious; ====== > ====== No family blessing: according to novel pg 18, Troubles soon arose. Sir Walter, on being applied to, without actually withholding his consent, or saying it should never be, gave it all the negative of great astonishment, great coldness, great silence, and a professed resolution of doing nothing for his daughter. He thought it a very degrading alliance; and Lady Russell, though with more tempered and pardonable pride, received it as a most unfortunate one. ====== > ====== Per haps we can charge him with being ungentlemanly  ====== > ====== Wentworth sees Anne again at a concert, but is jealous of the attentions paid her by Mr. Elliot. ====== > ====== Wentworth notices a stranger admiring Anne, which causes him to realize that she still has beauty  ====== > ====== And because both of these happen only then does he realize that she is who he wants. ======  ** SparkNotes: Complete Text of Persuasion: Chapter 5 ** pd.sparknotes.com On the morning appointed for Admiral and Mrs Croft's seeing Kellynch Hall, Anne found it most natural to take her almost daily walk to Lady Russell's, and keep out of the way till all was over; when she found it most natural to be sorry that she had missed the opportunity of seeing them. <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 25 at 7:15pm]


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can everyone please post the quotes they think are important for the powerpoint as soon as possible!
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I think using the quote about (the hazel nut when he is walking with Louisa and he is talking about persuasion and of course Anne) we could use for CFW in questioning.
> ====== Maybe we could use some questions on CFW I found some from  ====== > ====== According to: @http://www.shmoop.com/persuasion/plot-analysis.html   ====== > ====== Perhaps when the mention of Dick Musgrove the smirk from CFW we can use Anne’s perspective from that? Spending the evening with the Musgroves, Wentworth discusses his personal naval history. ====== > ====== Question CFW from pg 18 stating did he immediately judged Anne. " Sir Walter, on being applied to, without actaully withholding his consent, or saying it should bever be, gave it all the negative of great astonishment, great coldness, great silence, and had a professed resolution of doing nothing for his daughter. He thought it a very degrading alliance." - this is in regards to her being in love with Wentworth. ====== > > ====== Wentworth’s focus on action rather than thought causes him to get a false idea of Anne’s character. ====== > > ====== Captain Wentworth had no fortune. He had been lucky in his profession; but spending freely, what had come freely, had realized nothing. But he was confident that he should soon be rich: full of life and ardour, he knew that he should soon have a ship, and soon be on a station that would lead to everything he wanted. He had always been lucky; he knew he should be so still. ====== > > ====== he’s got his entanglement with Louisa and his rival Mr. Elliot to get through first. ====== > ====== Per haps we can charge him with being ungentlemanly  ====== > ====== Wentworth sees Anne again at a concert, but is jealous of the attentions paid her by Mr. Elliot. ====== > ====== Wentworth notices a stranger admiring Anne, which causes him to realize that she still has beauty  ====== ** Persuasion Plot Analysis ** www.shmoop.com  Shmoop Persuasion plot analysis. Conflict, complication, climax, suspense, denouement, conclusion. Analysis by Ph.D. and Masters students from Stanford, Harvard, Berkeley <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 25 at 3:12pm]

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Okay so judging by work I dont think I'll be able to procure an illustration for Wentworth. I could, but, that would literally have to replace my sleep for the next two nights. I wish you knew how true that really is lol. Anyway, instead I will focus more on quotes and information on Wentoworth than I did for Mr. Elliot. In the mean time I am starting Anne's picture a tad early, so I can make it better than William's. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 25 at 12:25am]

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For anyone who checks Facebook before class--> here's a snatch of Mr. William Elliot :] literally, just a snatch lol. digital camera still not working, so webcam's all thats left. Hopefully I get this done! ======  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like  · · <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post  ·  [|September 23 at 12:42am]

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I dont know if we can use any of this, but on page 18, it says
> > ====== " Sir Walter, on being applied to, without actaully withholding his consent, or saying it should bever be, gave it all the negative of great astonishment, great coldness, great silence, and had a professed resolution of doing nothing for his daughter. He thought it a very degrading alliance." - this is in regards to her being in love with wentworth. ====== > > ====== Also on page 18, it says that "lady russell, though with more tempered and pardonable pride, recieved it as a most unfortunate one." ====== > > ====== On page 19, lady russell also talks about his character. It says this- ====== > ====== "Lady Russell saw it very differently. - His sanguine temper, and fearlessness of mind, operated very differently on her. She saw it but an aggravation of the evil. It only added a dangerous character to himself." - We could say something along the lines of Lady Russell only looking out for Anne, and wanting the best for her. She didnt want Anne to end up getting hurt or being mistreated. ====== > > ====== On page 40, theres a thought from Anne, and she says that "Anne understood it. He wished to avoid seeing her." ====== > > ====== On page 41, it states that "He had not forgiven Anne Elliot. She had used him ill; deserted and disappointed him; and worse, she had shewn a feebleness of character in doing so, which his own decided, confident temper could not endure. She had given him up to oblige others. It had been the effect of over-persuasion. It had been weakness and timidity." ====== > ====== "He had been most warmly attached to her, and had never seen a woman since whom he thought her equal; but, except from some natural sensation of curiosity, he had no desire of meeting her again. Her power with him was gone forever." ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 24 at 12:53pm]

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hey FYI i started pulling info off here and putting it on WIKI i stopped for now but if any one wants to add more tonight go right ahead. I stopped at SWE after my post there's about 4/5 posted from the bottom you can look on wiki for sure. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 23 at 8:44pm]

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I vote yes
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[|Dawn Davidson] me too, omg chapter 23 is so heart felt how do we shred him on that stuff he says???? September 23 at 7:33pm · <span class="comment_like_174346845978445 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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hey i posted a few things on WIKI and was wondering if we proposed to question CFW? any ideas pple?
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Hey guys, I have a busy weekend ahead of me. I'm gonna do what I can but it won't be much at all compared to usual. Sorry.
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hey i have been doing some reading and i found this in chapt 23:
> ====== if I had then written to you, would you have answered my letter? Would you, in short, have renewed the engagement then?" ====== > ======  "Would I?" was all her answer; but the accent was decisive enough.  ====== > ======  "Good God!" he cried, "you would! It is not that I did not think of it, or desire it, as what could alone crown all my other success; but I was proud, too proud to ask again. I did not understand you. I shut my eyes, and would not understand you, or do you justice. This is a recollection, which ought to make me forgive every one sooner than myself. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 23 at 6:21pm]

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According to: 'Persuasion' - Review of 'Persuasion'
> ====== Jane Austen's Story About Second Chances  ====== > ====== From Laurie Viera Rigler, the author of Confessions of a Jane Austen Addict,  ====== > ====== CFW=Captain Fredrick Wentworth; he proceeds to flirt with other women right in front of her, also i like this comment;Is it man's nature to forget the woman he loves sooner than woman forgets man? ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 23 at 2:02pm]

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Fredrick Wentworth: love letter to Anne.
> ====== According to @http://classiclit.about.com/od/persuasionjaneausten/a/aa_persuasionqu.htm   ====== > ====== 'Persuasion' Quotes  ====== > ====== Jane Austen's Famous Novel  ====== > ====== By Esther Lombardi, About.com Guide  ====== > > ====== •"You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever. I offer myself to you again with a heart even more your own than when you almost broke it, eight and a half years ago. Dare not say that a man forgets sooner than woman, that his love has an earlier death. I have loved none but you. Unjust I may have been, weak and resentful I have been, but never inconstant." ====== > ====== - Jane Austen, Persuasion, Ch. 23 ====== > > ======  I just started with this love letter. So what are we going ====== > ====== to prosecute him for? ======  ** 'Persuasion' Quotes ** classiclit.about.com Persuasion is a sentimental novel by Jane Austen. The book was published after Jane Austen's death (in 1818). This famous work focuses on the highs and lows in the relationship of Anne Elliott and Captain Frederick Wentworth. Here are a few quotes from Jane Austen's Persuasion. <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 23 at 1:55pm]

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hey i got home read the email i like the info but we should see what the jury and the defence might try to use agaisnt us. So i hope to see everyone who can make it in the morning @ 9am in the study hall next to class. see you then. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 22 at 11:40pm]

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Alright guys emails have been sent out with the script. If you didn't get it then please let me know. I plan on sending out the cheat sheet by 10 so if you could have your info in by 9:30 at the latest please ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 22 at 7:33pm]

[|Stephanie Koverman] i just looked at the script...it looks really good! and theres a ton of information in there. and im pretty sure that if we just take our time with it, it will take up most of our 15 minutes September 22 at 9:27pm · <span class="comment_like_173949552684841 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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Come on guys, we still need a little more research. Just post whatever you have so that we have something to fall back on for using all of our time. Also keep in mind that we don't know what the defense will throw at us or exactly what the jury will ask ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 22 at 9:18pm]

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Sorry I'm just getting here I have been busy with other class work. You all have good facts make sure you know the page numbers and if it is an outside source that it gets quoted. Dr. Lake did lay down the law on Wednesday. We don't need to worry about the roll play unless we want to call witness to be cross examine. Which would make us look good if we did cross their witness. We also might want to look at more sources then spark notes. I know it makes it hard to cut and paste here. :) ======  <span class="default_message">Like  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">··  <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·  [|September 22 at 7:40pm]

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Quotes for Mr. Elliot!
> ====== • Pg. 97 “Mr. Elliot, too, it must be remembered, had not been a widower seven months”. ====== > > ====== o “for though his marriage had not been very happy, still it had existed so many years that she could not comprehend a very rapid recovery from the awful (awe-inspiring) impression of its being dissolved”. ====== > ====== • Pg. 105 “Mr. Elliot is an exceedingly agreeable man, in many aspects” said Anne; “but we should not suit” ====== > ====== • Pg. 106 “Mr. Elliot was rational, discreet, polished,-but he was not open. There was never any burst of feeling, any warmth of indignation or delight, at the evil or good of others. This to Anne was a decided imperfection”. ====== > ====== • Pg. 132 “Mr. Elliot is a man without heart or conscience; a designing wary, cold-blooded being, who thinks only of himself; who, for his own interest or ease, would be guilty of any cruelty, or any treachery, that could be perpetrated without risk of his general character. He has no feeling for others. Those whom he has been the chife cause of leading into ruin, he can neglect and desert without the smallest compunction. He is totally beyond the reach of any sentiment of justice or compassion. Oh! He is black at heart, hollow and black!” ====== > ====== • Pg. 133 “Mr. Elliot at that period of his, had one object view-to make his fortune, and by a rather quicker process than the law. He was determined to make it by marriage” ====== > ====== o “Mr. Elliot married, then, completely for money” ====== > ====== • Pg. 134 “Money, money, was all that he wanted” ====== > ====== o “All his caution was spent in being secured (assured) of the real amount of her fortune, before he committed himself”  ====== > ====== o “I have heard him declare, that if baronetcies were saleable, anybody should have his for fifty pounds, arms and motto, name and livery included”  ====== > ====== • Pg.135 the letter from Mr. Elliot to Mr. Smith  ====== > ====== • Pg. 138 “it is to be put into the marriage articles when you and Mr. Elliot marry, that your father is not to marry Mrs. Clay ” ====== > ====== o “Mr. Elliot had led his friend into expenses much beyond his fortune” ====== > ====== • Pg.139 “with a confidence in Mr. Elliot’s regard, more creditable to his feelings than his judgment, Mr. Smith had appointed him the executor of his will; but Mr. Elliot would not act, and the difficulties and distresses which this refusal had heaped on her, in addition to the inevitable sufferings of her situation, had been such as could not be related without anguish of spirit, or listened to without corresponding indignation ”  ====== > ====== o “Mr. Elliot would do nothing, and she could do nothing herself, equally disabled from personal exertion by her state of bodily weakness, and from employing others by her want of money” ====== > ====== • Pg. 140 “He was very unkind to his first wife. They were wretched together. But she was too ignorant and giddy for respect, and he had never loved her ” ====== > ====== • Pg. 142-143 “She had some satisfaction in finding that he was really going out of Bath the next morning, going early, and that he would be gone the greater part of two days” ====== > ====== • Pg.148 Mary---“Its Mr. Elliot himself”  ====== > ====== o Anne---“no, it cannot be Mr. Elliot, I assure you. He was to leave Bath at nine this morning, and does not come back till to-morrow” ====== > ====== • Pg. 166 “It deranged his best plan of domestic happiness, his best hope of keeping Sir Walter single by the watchfulness which a son-in-law’s rights would have given” ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 22 at 3:20pm] near [|Englewood]

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this is what i have started i have class late tonight but i will get back on here later.
> ====== DawnRenee Davidson  ====== > ====== In conclusion we see the perception of William Elliot is that of a venomous snake he is a criminal. The character is portrayed as a malicious man, after his own personal gain. Perhaps Austen needed to cast doubts of people’s characters who were actually doing this during her time while she as writing. When Mr. Smith a good friend died he did not help Mrs. Smith his widow she has been stricken with sickness and her husbands will was controlled by William Elliot the executor. Also including to that by his true character by not marrying Elizabeth he ran off to marry another for money. According to: @http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/persuasion/characters.html  ====== > ====== Mr. William Elliot - Anne Elliot's cousin, and heir to Kellynch Hall, Mr. William Elliot is a smooth talker who everyone agrees is "perfectly what he ought to be." Only six months after the death of his first wife, and at the end of a marriage that was generally known to be unhappy, Mr. Elliot is searching for a new bride. Good- looking and well-mannered, Mr. Elliot talks his way back into the good graces of Sir Walter, yet Anne questions his true motives. Also stating; the meeting of Mrs. Clay and Mr. Elliot foreshadowed the discovery of their deceptive collusion. ====== > ====== Not to mention his greedy intentions with Mrs. Clay on trying to marry SWE and how those plans did not suit to the agenda. The persona could lead one to believe that they are both trying to get ahead by marrying upwards. ======  ** Persuasion **  www.sparknotes.com  A list of all the characters in Persuasion. The Persuasion characters covered include: Anne Elliot, Captain Frederick Wentworth, Sir Walter Elliot , Elizabeth Elliot, Mr. William Elliot , Mary Elliot Musgrove, Charles Musgrove, Louisa Musgrove, Henrietta Musgrove, Mr. & Mrs. Musgrove , Charles Hay...   <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like  · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 22 at 2:04pm]

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Mr. William Elliot - Anne Elliot's cousin, and heir to Kellynch Hall, Mr. William Elliot is a smooth talker who everyone agrees is "perfectly what he ought to be." Only six months after the death of his first wife, and at the end of a marriage that was generally known to be unhappy, Mr. Elliot is searching for a new bride. Good- looking and well-mannered, Mr. Elliot talks his way back into the good graces of Sir Walter, yet Anne questions his true motives. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 22 at 1:06pm]

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Mr. William Elliot — A relation and the heir presumptive of Sir Walter, who became estranged from the family when he wed a woman of much lower social rank, for her fortune. Sir Walter and Elizabeth had hoped William would marry Elizabeth Elliot. He is now a widower. Now wanting very much to inherit the title, he mends the rupture in order to keep an eye on the ambitious Mrs. Clay. If Sir Walter married her, William's inheritance would be endangered. When he meets Anne by accident, his interest is piqued; if he could marry Anne his title and inheritance is likely secured. Rumors circulate that Anne and he are engaged. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 22 at 1:00pm] [|Andrea Nicole Day] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasion_(novel)#Main_characters    ** Main characters - Persuasion (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ** en.wikipedia.org Sir Walter Elliot, Bt. — A vain, sycophantic self-satisfied baronet, Sir Walter'<span class="text_exposed_hide">...
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Alright so those who weren't in the conversation after class, we decided on a general plan. Feel free to give input on it but we had talked about doing a powerpoint again. Jessica, if you could make one just like you did for Wednesday, that would be perfect. Just use the same template with different information and add a couple slides one with Mrs. Smith as the title and the other as another character. Hopefully that will help us with the time issue. We plan on calling Mrs. Smith to the stand and another character (if you remember who, please comment). I'm still going to make an information sheet so we can reference and hopefully use all of our time from now on. I think that sums things up but if I left things out, feel free to add them. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 22 at 12:56pm]

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[|Kirstie Young] im so glad Im not the only person who thinks so lol. September 21 at 7:52pm · <span class="comment_like_173498392729957 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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[|Andrea Nicole Day] i like the outfit. i agree that the flashier, the better September 22 at 12:17pm · <span class="comment_like_173747769371686 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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[|Kirstie Young] added photos to [|Fashion of Persuasion].
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[|Kirstie Young] ill attempt it lol. when the rough (emphasis on ROUGH) sketches are done I will post them on here for more opinions. September 21 at 7:59pm · <span class="comment_like_173500416063088 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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[|Stephanie Koverman] okay, awesome! September 21 at 8:00pm · <span class="comment_like_173500496063080 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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Hey i have found some good links here with info on Character's
> ======  www.pemberley.com   ====== > ======  @http://janeaustensworld.wordpress.com/   ====== > ======  @http://austenprose.com/   ====== ** Jane Austen | The Republic of Pemberley ** www.pemberley.com  The Republic of Pemberley - largest, most comprehensive Jane Austen site: Jane Austen information and discussion. Text of all Jane Austen's novels. Jane Austen adaptations and sequels. <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 21 at 2:52pm] [|Dawn Davidson] Persuasion: William Walter Elliot >>> Grandson and presumed heir of Sir Walter Elliot (the Second). Widowed (see Mrs Elliot). September 21 at 3:08pm · <span class="comment_like_173394269407036 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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Hey guys! (I know I spoke to a few of you about this) but if anyone has any ideas for DRAWINGS (for powerpoint, display, with paint, ink, pencil, anything goes) help me out here! Im an art major so the best way I can contribute in this is through art- Dr. Lake did say she wants us to give her creative. so lets give it to her. Help me think of some projects for each upcoming prosecution! Let me know on here or message me- I can be a tool in this but I need ideas for what to contribute :D ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 21 at 11:29am] [|Dawn Davidson] we have William Elliot Fri then i am ASSUMING the following mon. will be Wentworth then wed. will be Anne September 21 at 2:47pm · <span class="comment_like_173384982741298 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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> [|Kirstie Young] <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  ·  [|September 21 at 12:50pm] [|Kirstie Young] I'm not sure of how accurate this movie is. I have it, and just watched it so I imagine these fashions when imagining the characters. However this is meant to be Jane, and Anne and the characters of Persuasion are much better off when it comes to money. So the clothing of Anne and Wentworth would be nicer and more expensive- at least I think so. What's your opinion? September 21 at 12:52pm · <span class="comment_like_173339592745837 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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> [|Kirstie Young] <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Follow Post  ·  [|September 21 at 12:03pm] [|Kirstie Young] If the hair wasn't down in this it owuld make me think of anne. she just doesnt seem like the type to have her hair down, even if in a hat September 21 at 12:16pm · <span class="comment_like_173325576080572 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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ALSO- my biggest thing is finding out how characters DRESS, in that time period. I cant draw a character without clothing (well I COULD, but that maaaay be problematic) so if anyone could help me out and post any links or images on here that would be SUPER helpful. thanks :]] ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 21 at 11:34am]

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i did not get the email did you send it to this: drjla71678@yahoo.com see you gals n guys in the morning. yawhhhnnnn!!!
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building off the quote that I say someone mention on here earlier:
> > ====== - page 110- 111- "She [Anne] was persuaded that any tolerable, pleasing young woman who had listened and seemed to feel for him, would have recieved the same compliment. He had an affectionate heart. He must love somebody." ====== > > ====== -- this persuades that any girl who loved Benwick could be loved by him. By nature, he lives to love. His world revolved around his fiance, so when she passed- so did part of him. his flame could only be re-ignited by another spark. Therefore the only way to recover from his obvious mourning would be from finding a new love. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 20 at 11:12pm]

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‎-page 110- it is said that "They had been thrown together for several weeks; they had been living in the same small family party... they must have been depending almost entirely on each other."
> > ====== -would help to defend that the affection between Benwick and Louisa was accidental, and due to their situation. (somewhere in the book Wentworth also says that it wasnt intentional, and it could have been different if it werent for the fact that it was an accidental love.) ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 20 at 11:07pm]

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Some other points that I didnt see Julie mention:
> > ====== -page 109- Mary's letter to anne, telling her of the engagement between Benwick and Louisa. "Charles wonders what Captain Wentworth will say; but if you remember, I never thought him attached to Louisa; I never could see anything of it." ====== > ====== -We could possibly use this as a defence for Wentworth being okay with the engagement. maybe we could have someone roleplay Mary reading this part of her letter?? ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 20 at 11:01pm]

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If anyone has sent emails, or any information we will need for tomorrow and plans on printing them for class can they print me a copy as well?? printer is down, experiencing ink failure. help would be appreciated x( ======  <span class="default_message">Like  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">··  <span class="default_message">Follow Post  <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·  [|September 20 at 10:56pm]

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Question along with an idea. Do we want someone to play Benwick to give a visual emotional feel to the case? He doesn't need to speak just throw out some facial expressions to sway the jury. We would let the rest of the team be his lawyers much like in a big court case. ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 20 at 1:11pm]

[|Dawn Davidson] k i will try to look and vent only sadness that will be my goal what happens if the prosecuter start to grill me? try to channel his thoughts? September 20 at 9:55pm · <span class="comment_like_173099322769864 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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[|Kirstie Young] dress like a depressed poetry fanatic ^-^ September 20 at 10:53pm · <span class="comment_like_173119129434550 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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Just about to send the email out with the compiled information. However, I did not add the quotes i sent earlier in with it so if you could print that off too, that would be awesome
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Ok everybody, I think we won the last one and I think we have all the quotes and feel of Benwick to kick their butts on this one. Go Team!
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so i have another class assignment i have to work on. Call or email me if you have any questions. REMINDER TO ALL we are meeting at 9am in the study hallnext to th classroom. c-ya then. ;)
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i think Benwick is a man who is viewed as a man who is in a dark place at the begining of the story but by the end he is truely happy.
> > ====== Read no Letters, Books, or Papers in Company but when there is a Necessity for the doing of it you must ask leave: come not near the Books or Writings of Another so as to read them unless desired or give your opinion of them unask'd also look not nigh when another is writing a Letter. ====== > > ====== I wonder if group2 will use this or not? ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 20 at 2:51pm]

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Hey everyone, I found a few quotes that may be useful in defending Captain Benwick!
> ====== • Pg. 65 “he had been engaged to Captain Harville’s sister and was mourning her loss. They had been a year or two waiting for fortune and promotion. ====== > ====== We can use this to say he wanted to wait for marriage until he had enough money to support his family. ====== > ====== • Pg.67 “for, though shy, he did not seem reserved; it had rather the appearance of feelings glad to burst their usual restraints”  ====== > ====== We can use this to say he was finding hope in all of his suffering, so he could eventually find someone else. ====== > ====== • Pg. 78 “Captain Benwick was most considerably attentive to her ====== > ====== This goes to say that he is a very kind and caring individual looking out for the well being of others. ====== > ====== • Pg.110 “the dejected, thinking, feeling, reading Captain Benwick”  ====== > ====== This shows how others view him  ====== > ====== • Pg.145 “and Benwick sits at her elbow, reading verses, or whispering to her, all day long”  ====== > ====== This shows how caring he is when nursing Louisa back to health. ====== > ====== • Pg.230 Marilyn Butler states “although it is given less explicit Christian colouring than Fanny’s, her intense, withdrawn inner life would suggest the ‘Saint’ even without her hints to Captain Benwick on moral and religious reading”  ====== > ====== • Pg.257 Tony Tanner states “Benwick is a man who lives in and by books”  ====== > ====== o Attentive listener  ====== > ====== o Very pleasant young man  ====== > ====== o Seems odd to the others because he is more reserved like Anne  ====== > ====== o Anne helps him see the best of things…Anne helps him to get over his loss, gets him to open up  ====== > ====== o He seems to be a very sturdy figure other than being somewhat emotionally detached  ====== > ====== o He does exactly as told in a time of need  ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">· [|September 20 at 12:54pm] near [|Englewood]
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[|Dawn Davidson] i think he may have been afraid to try to find love again till Anne told him to rekindle his passion for a new love. Even though it was not Anne i think its was suppose to be Heniretta. September 20 at 2:43pm · <span class="comment_like_172935302786266 fsm fwn fcg" style="color: #808080; font-size: 11px;"> <span class="default_message">Like
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hey i have some info for the Benwick case: So here is some of it and i will post it oon WIKI also.
> ======  @http://www.shmoop.com/persuasion/captain-james-benwick.html   ====== > ====== Captain Benwick is a grief sticken depressed naval officer who mourns the death of his lost fiance. ====== > ====== Character Analysis  ====== > ====== Captain Benwick, like Anne, has been struck with a bad case of lost love (symptoms: listlessness, fatigue, reading lots of sad poems). Benwick’s diet of pure poetry is like eating nothing but chocolate – while it may seem like a good coping mechanism, it the end it does more harm than good. Although Benwick’s situation is both more extreme than Anne’s (his fiancée is dead) and more recent (a few months past, rather than eight years),Benwick will have more opportunities to change his circumstances and meet someone new. ====== > > ====== And meet someone new he does; he's engaged to Louisa before his previous fiancée has been dead a year. His swift about-face in matters of love surprises his friends, who thought he would never get over his loss. Is he really recovered, or is this new romance a new way of dealing with his grief? Was he truly all that worked up over Fanny’s death, or was he exaggerating because he liked the attention? Since we only get hearsay about Benwick after the Lyme episode, it’s hard to say for sure. ======  ** Captain James Benwick in Persuasion **  www.shmoop.com  Shmoop guide to Captain James Benwick in Persuasion. Captain James Benwick analysis by Ph.D. and Masters students from Stanford, Harvard, and Berkeley <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;"> <span class="default_message">Like · · <span class="default_message">Unfollow Post  · [|Share] ·  [|September 19 at 9:34pm]
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i think for tomorrow i am going to create a powerpoint presentation..what sort of topics should be included?
> ====== i have started it some, and will later email it to each of you for revisions or suggestions...please let me know as soon as possible so it will make it easier for me to finish! thanks! ====== <span class="default_message">Like <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·· <span class="default_message">Follow Post <span class="UIActionLinks UIActionLinks_bottom" style="color: #999999;">·  [|September 20 at 12:28pm] (1318301724)

heres one of my links today. [] it has some themes and i think theyll helop us with who really is the moinster 1318547931